...and also the back. I suspect that Phil usually does "complete clothing sets" - as in they're not REALLY designed to be "worn" with other items of clothing. This would help keep the poly count down (and so improve memory usage and make cloth draping etc. quicker) but since you seem to want pants on the guy as extra we'd better try to incorporate them. It shouldn't be difficult, just take a teensy bit of effort and playing around. Ooops - I hear my son getting up. This thread may be a little bitty!