Sorry, JV, I had a stroke recently and my communication skills are a little muddled. I realize now you are giving me exactly what I am asking for, only I'm asking for the wrong thing. Let me try again. Imagine a snake coiled around an arm like a piece of jewelry - the head of the snake at the bicep. If I do it the way I asked for and the way you instructed(sorry), the second snake's head is now at the tricep - concealed from view- which is not what I want. Am I making sense? What I'm looking for is a second snake that is coiled in the opposite direction (I think)