When you see how much trouble Daz seems to be having getting a buggy alpha of Daz Studio out the door, we all should begin to appreciate the fact that P5 got out the door at all. The fact is that successfully launching a usable 3D program with the level of sophistication that everybody here seems to feel is their god-given right (for only a few hundred dollars) is a very difficult task. For a small company like Daz with limited financial resources it has to be monumental. It's funny how, right now, Daz Studio can be all things to all people because it doesn't exist. My guess it that once Daz Studio arrives, it's limitations are going to be so overwhelming that a lot of this enthusiasm is going to (at last) be tempered with some harsh reality. And if e-frontiers gets it act together and fixes up Poser, then the winner of this horse race still has yet to be decided. -jjsemp