a look at the corset. poser 4 users have bump maps and custom MAT settings to make it look like real leather. P5 users get an extra boost in realism from displacement/bump mapped zippers, specularity maps on the leather, etc. either way, it renders great in both programs. the zipper in this image is a *very* simple flat mesh - all the detail is from bump/reflection/displacement/texture maps which are included with the pack. separate MATs for Poser 4, Pro Pack, and Poser 5.