Ok, after blue screen after blue screen and a nap for my pc, lol, i'm back...(and trying to remember my thoughts from earlier) Thanks everyone for all of these very good points and thoughts. It gave me ALOT to think about. When i wrote the first thread, my thoughts didnt' include all of these possibilities, but were rather small circled. A good example of my original thoughts would run along these lines. Artist A makes a freebie...a lamp, lets say. Merchant B makes a table and wants to sell it. Merchant B wants to put that lamp he got as a freebie in that render to help to sell his product. However, that lamp, as a freebie, was listed as non-commercial only. Merchant B isn't selling the lamp, but is enhancing his view of the table. Does that equal a violation? To some, yes, to others maybe no? Now, if Merchant B includes a link in his readme, or a note on the render, that he got the vase from Artist A at www.ArstistA.com where Artist A also has a store set up, would that change things? Would it be possible, or ethical for Artist A to say, yes, this is non-commercial, with bonuses... or this is commercial use, with exceptions? Is there a fine line? Or is this something left up to the individual artist to determine to what extent? Zhann, I understand well, your points, and I respect those..They are very good ones... Paul, I also like your points as well.. Slakker, Striving, Bryster, Pakled..I agree with that being a blatant copyright violation, which I believe is a good base to cover in the readme as well. Now, lets say another example. Lets say Artist A made a flower vase as a non-commercial freebie. Merchant B thought his flowers would go very well in it, and decides to sell the flowers.. But in his product he adds the vase as a bonus freebie. He's not selling it, if he says it's a bonus freebie. But is he? Wouldn't that be construed as selling it? Now what if that vase was listed as commercial? Same standards, or different? Is this more copyright involved, or commercial vs non-commercial? LOL I have a feeling some of the read-me's may be getting a bit more complicated. I know I am thinking of adding to mine...how? I'm not entirely sure yet, but for some reason "this model as a freebie MAY NOT be used commercially" just doesn't seem to cover a whole lot. deep in thought Jen