I don't know... I"ve been playing in Carrara for a while now, but still concider myself a dabbler. Mostly using the Vertex modeler to make Poser related stuff. However since version 3 I've started actually trying to learn this program and I'm amazed at the power I'm begining to see in it! I think that the horse could very well have been made in the vertex modeller using smoothing functions. Not saying I could do it, but I think a really good artist could! mike