doh, didnt add, i been using poser since 2001, i had a good friend teach me how to use it, now i gotta teach him as he hasnt been using it for a long time now, lol

In the words of DarkStarRising:
"Sadness within sadness,
Darkness within darkness,
a shadow of a form lays upon the floor,
looking at herself
looking at her own shadows of loneliness"