"Ok im not a programmer so can you name any 3D program that was NOT hardware accelerated or had NO openGL but effectively added that ability later??" Caligari's "Truespace" started simply as "Caligari" for the Amiga. It was ported to the PC and hardware acceleration was added in one of its early incarnations. Most people don't realize that 3D Studio Max really began as "Cyber Studio" for the old Atari ST. It was also ported to the PC, with Open-GL acceleration added later. Hash Animation also began as an Amiga program, with all the bells and whistles added later for the PC, including Open GL support. And finally, Lightwave also started on the Amiga, bundled with the Newtek Video Toaster. Open GL was added when...you guessed it...the program was ported to the PC. There was no such thing as Open GL on the Amiga, because, with the Amiga's proprietary ability to handle graphics and animation really well, it didn't need it. All that support was added later when these programs migrated to the less sophisticated PC platform. I'm not a programmer either, but based on the evidence, I don't think adding Open GL or hardware acceleration is impossible. Who knows? We might get it in Poser 6. -jjsemp