I don't think people hate P5 near as much as they hate being cheated, conned and used. "Much better rendering engine" A little better, maybe. But a LOT slower for sure. "better lighting" Seems exactly the same to me. In fact, I understand lighting that works fine in P4 locks P5 up. Dynamic cloth ... true. Dynamic hair ... the old "we don't know what we're doing" excuse. How about it looks like crap compared to transmapped hair and slows rendering to a crawl? "Dramatically more productive asset management" Dramatically? Not really...we're still stuck with that old runtime system and the same libraries. Still a pain. A dramatic improvement would have been a normal file handling system that most every other program uses. "Constant improvements via the service packs that have addressed most of the bugs people had" I only see minor improvements in the addons. The major flaws P4 had are still there in P5...still no fixes since 1999. I believe a lot of people felt P5 would be a brand new program with improved work flow, interface, file handling, memory handling, etc. It isn't that and never will be according to CL. I don't hate P5. I don't like what was done to it and what was not done to it. And I hate how its release was handled.