Actually I have been using amapi 7 (thats not a free program) Its their completely re written version since 6.1 (I LOVE IT!!!!) its light years better...(took them over 2 years to re write it) The upcoming Amapi Pro version will be great as well. I tried Rhino...its nice! but for me personally Amapi 7 is more intuitive...you can set up older style menus like Rhino or you can grab new tools by simply doing a right swipe with the mouse (very fast when you get used to it) The Amapi designer costs a lot less than Rhino as well...its great!!! And of course if you buy Max or LW then you are buying a whole lot more than just a modeling program and if you want to model for Poser only...you may not need all that extra animation and rendering power. Cheers Harvey Mann