hmmm good point... wat parmeters define a charicature ?? do u have any info or a url were i could investigate this? Daz has thDC (digitalclone ) section now , also sophie loren is an old v2 cr2.. not tooo sure ... dont wanna get into trouble. Ive already made ARny shwrzenegger , Arny normal. Arny for freak and Arny for DwarveM3