rockets opened this issue on Dec 22, 2003 ยท 76 posts
kobaltkween posted Tue, 23 December 2003 at 1:58 AM
i figure i'll throw my 2 cents in here. before i start, i'll admit to having no gallery here. most of my work is for the place that pays me (and way too boring to post here), and the rest i mainly keep to myself. anyone who wants to ignore my opinion on this basis, can. quality is totally subjective. more work does not necessarily mean better work. brilliance might come quick or slow, depending on your style. i don't think that matisse's cut-outs are any less great than rodin's sculptures. i definitely don't think that rodin's work is worth less because he made molds and was able to "mass produce" it. personally, i have not noted a difference in quality in the gallery, though i think the diversity has gone up (i.e., higher non-poser percentage wise). but since i haven't actually recorded anything, this change could be completely in my head. i do, however, often get to look at the whole days posting, instead of having to click four times just to get to a new page because i wait too long and 100 new pictures have been posted. i also get to see pictures from a wider range of people. personally, i like this. but that is a viewer, not poster perspective. i can understand why an artist might want me to see the 50 great pieces he/she made that day all at once, and be frustrated at not being able to do that. that said, no one has a right to unrestricted posting in this gallery any more than they have a right to have their pictures hang in the guggenheim. arguing over whether "the artists make the community" is rather moot. if you don't like it self-publish, as ratteler has. getting "grandfathered" in makes no sense from any practical standpoint (for renderosity) if they want things to change. if what they want to do is change how the gallery presently works, they need to change how it works for present users. responding to ratteler- comics (not "graphic novels") can't be just any length. 22 pages- that's it. just because an artist can make an extra 6 or 8 pages by the deadline, and even though the publishers do nothing besides sell the work of artists and would be nothing without those artists, doesn't mean that artists or writers get to publish any format they want. and, in mainstream comics, your work is going to be interrupted by page length ads whose placement you have no say about. comic strips have an even more limited presentation format. if charles schultz, sergio aragones (spy vs. spy), aaron mcgruder and myriads of other serial artists can manage to get by on 3 panels a day so that other artists can be included on a single page and all be seen, i truly fail to see why you cannot make do with a single image a day. or how about this? i would bet that most of the traffic here is to the freestuff section, not the gallery or the marketplace. you want to make a comic and control the format? make it into a pdf and post it to freestuff. or, as was suggested, post a composite "page" each day and allow anyone who wants to look at the story as a whole look at your gallery. frankly, unlimited upload wouldn't guarantee you'd get to present your work uninterupted by the work of others anyway. basically, i don't see reason for people to have unlimited uploads. yeah, i can see the restriction as a very, very minor inconvenience that can be overcome with a minimal amount of effort. but nothing more than that. and personally, i usually find creative solutions to severe limitations the most interesting of artwork. i guess ratteler's reference to more concrete ways of publishing/displaying got me thinking. the "real world" seems to involve so many more limitations on publishing art work of any kind: galleries can't just expand to fit all of your works, editors remove parts of authors' writings and don't need the authors' permission, movies get whittled down, screenplays get revised, revised, and revised again by different writers, etc. and what keeps it going is that there are always tons of artists willing to put up with huge limitations just for the opportunity of publishing. the web has created so many opportunities for us to publish, i feel like we often take for granted our freedoms and focus on what we can't do instead of what we can. since i'm on vacation now, i think i'll take advantage of some of that freedom instead of blabbbing on any longer.