Also PhilC has a female model on his utilities page which is designed to be used as a step towards creating your own models. (It is quite a bit better than starting with a cylinder!) You can take this into any program which allows for tweaking and adding polygons. I think he uses TruSpace for most of his modeling? Carrara has about 3 different approaches to model making: polys, nurbs, and patches, IIRC, so you can try all 3 methods and see what works best for you. I'd still start with Poser to get a feel for working in 3dspace and how to set up scenes, poses, lights, keyframes, etc., then add a modeling program when ready to make the jump into original creations. Until you have wrestled with hair and cloth, you won't know what approaches will give you the look you personally are after. Carolly