Mr. TheGigaShadow people count even if they can't run with the fastest in the pack (or disagree with you). Leaving a little notation for the RayDream/Infini-D users can't hurt anyone in the Carrara forum. I have noticed that excellent and very current Carrara information is fully addressed on this forum. (hardly ever is there a RayDream post) I think Gravitons banner addresses everyone's needs while giving all the impact to current Carrara users. I am no sheep but I am not intellectually closed (like you) to other peoples needs or suggestions (even if I don't see their need at first). I am willing to look at different points of view and have the courage to change my mind. Besides the RayDream and Infini-D lurkers might find that Carrara is a great upgrade for them as they browse this excellent forum. I think it helps sell the slowpokes on choosing Carrara.