hey dialyn, Yep, I thought it was pretty bad. If poser can destroy my textures without hardly flexing it's muscles, what would it do if I got on the wrong side of it. 'Hell hath no fury like a scorned software' and all that stuff. LOL. Anyway, I'm pretty sure this is some weird manifestation that's peculiar to me. I have a list of 'features' that don't seem to affect other people. Poser 4.03 straight off the CL cd with no patches at all. mac PS The fire's still in a transitional stage. PPS Now you know why I have triple back-up!