" I don't see where a control group would have anything to do with it. The more people testing, the better." Err, not if you're the programming team. They've only got so many code-monkeys, so it's easier to keep the bug reports down to Niagra Falls size, as opposed to the Biblical Flood proportions they'd face if everyone went at it. The only "money thing" is that DAZ can't afford the number of programmers required for a general public alpha... even Microsoft can barely afford something like that. The results will still cost nothing even after it gets out to the general public. I'm sorry it'll take some time, but the good news is, once you do get hold of it, it'll work far better (and have more features) than what the PC folks are wrestling with now. /P