ROTFL. Thanks Crescent I think that might be helpful, then I wouldn't feel quite such an arsehole. :) as I don't have most of the forums displayed, Poser is usually first on the list. It wasn't until after I had my little snit fit that I realised "Hang on, this IS the Studio forum". Ooops. Hey, I'm allowed to be a complete idiot at least once a year. :D