Hey questor, Thanks for posting that info. I was reading the thread and thinking I should mention it.... but, of course, I'd have to open poser, find a figure and get the settings. You saved me the trouble. Re the ambient color thingy. I find this such a useful trick that my new product readme contains a special section devoted to using surface materials, and specifically, how to darken/lighten wood and other materials using object and ambient colors. Fyrespyrit, I used exactly the same technique on the flames I added to my fireplace figure. I set ambient to dark red on the flames and the brickwork around the fire to get a nice glow. mac PS I can't believe people actually still use these things I reccommended years ago. Someone recently mailed me asking for my default light set which I posted about 3 years ago. She deleted it by accident and said she was lost without it. LOL.