hey man....thanks for the info =) i got a college friend who is now an (unemployed) computer engineer....i'll bet he'd love to get his hands on P1 or P2 and just reverse engineer it....he be adding stuf left and right...putting smiley faces here and there....one time on this other prog he disected he put a pic of his dog taking a poop right smack in front of the program's screen....pretty funny....anyway, he also loves 3D apps... thanks again man! =)