I just purchased Poser 5 from Amazon.com for $169.00 and this includes the shipping. It takes a week to 2 weeks to get it but it is well worth it. I just ordered it..hadn't received it, yet! Still have a week...can't wait!!.. I thought about downloading it myself... then i remembered the time my harddrive crashed. lol Live and learn! Besides, I want the manuals and the actual box.