Ratteller-surely this will apply to DS as well? If Daz cannot get plug-ins out quickly enough to make a sizeable amount of professional and semi-professional artists to make the move over to DS then surely Daz will be left as a niche product.Or do they want a niche product that good little daz consumers will buy their content and then hurry to get the first render up on the forum(shudder) I have an inkling that compiler may be right when he postulates shader/poser5 development- the danger as I see it from Daz's point of view is that the poser 5 community will take the shade/poser 5 product(poser 6?) to "new levels of complexity" certainly a poser 5 that does what is supposed to do -better collision detection, GL rendering and a better production renderer (all of which shade already has)would move poser into a new level of sophistication. Could Daz - who are, after all, content producers- raise their game to meet the the challenge or will we see a parting of the ways in poser /ds in that the naked-vicki-in-the -temple set will favour Daz and endlessly fill up the gallerys with even more acres of virtual flesh and the Poser/shade elements pushing the outside of that envelope. just thoughts.