Anton, They'll have to realise it sooner or later. I'll be filing a bug report once I feel I've had enough time to discover all the issues, and that will definitely be in it. It may not be an issue for DAZ products, since they insist on all geometry being external in brokered products too, and it certainly isn't a problem for my own products. But they're are 1000s of modellers out there who use customGeom and DAZ needs to take that into account if they want to keep the users happy. mac