Well, I agree that DAZ are under no obligation to provide a new version of poser. I don't think anyone was expecting that. But I think people were at least hoping there would be more compatibility with most of the poser figures. The analogy with 3d max is completely wrong. I use max and have never expected total support for poser figures. The fact that DAZ makes their living supplying content for the poser market leads me to expect a little bit more of an effort than Discreet software would make. Sure, external geoms are no sweat - for me and 100s of other people. But try telling a newbie who gets DS free in a few months time that he can't use 70% of the free props available for download. (arbitary figure plucked out of my underpants) I'm with veritas (up to a point). I believe DAZ will eventually solve these problems. After all, we're not even at the beta stage yet. But telling everyone that they don't NEED to solve them isn't helpful at all. Compatibility has always been a major plague AND a major selling point for all software manufacturers. DAZ just need to address it, is all. mac