Thanks Nance, I finally found the vest tex (after going through a lot of pages). It's amazing what you find! I thought I'd pretty much checked out everything, but there were a couple of other things I'd missed. Will open it up and try it, but it looks good. Dreamspinner, I'd LOVE a digicam but can't afford it. I'm a photographer, so I should be able to do all this stuff. Problem is getting the material itself to shoot. I was thinking on a kind of gold leaf or foil (Also I live in the Italian Alps at 6,000ft so it ain't easy!) There must be a site somewhere that has miscellaneous textures and fabrics. Will try posting the ques. on Computer Arts Forum too. Any info, I'll post it maclean