Well, migal, I said I don't think using binary is an evil plot. I DIDN'T say I was thrilled about it from a personal POV. You and I both know that half the fun in poser (if not more than half) is getting in there with a spanner and unbolting things to see what's hidden away inside. I'd hate to think that we could never do that in DS. But I can see that there are valid reasons for breaking away completely from cr2/pz3. Not the least of these being the fact that another company owns (?) these formats. Anyway, the way I look at it is, I've still got poser and nobody's gonna stop me getting my hands dirty in there! mac