maclean, I was going to post what I came up with, but I took the winter reflection map of Dal's, changed it to gold as a 1000 x 1000 map, used the winter bump map and it was fairly realistic, altho' the bump texture is too large for lame'. I was involved in creating a smaller bump when I also got involved with Polyette LOL--but will try again tomorrow. I think that reflection map with a small twill-y type bump should come pretty close if you don't find anything else. Diane B