Stewar, I wrote a long letter outlining everything that wasn't working on Poser 5 and asking for everything that wasn't delivered yet. In that letter I asked for the promised 3rd party plugins too and received a standard reply from them that said that they were working hard to adress all these issues. I did this after leaving many messages on the Poser 5 beta forum. I'm sure I wasn't the only one doing it based on all the people agreeing with me on the Poser 5 beta forum. To this day the hair collision doesn't works as it should and the promised 3rd party plugins are still that, a promise. Its sad but I might have to pay Reiss Studio for something that was promissed to me for free. Now I know Curious Labs was going thru a transition period but it looks like they have arrived with a company that can push them forward so I think the best thing they can do to regain their customers faith is hang on to old promises and deliver.