Genny, Thanks for the info. I thought the tutorial was for general mimic stuff, thanks for pointing me back to it again. I also found while trying different stuff with Mimic that I was able to use the victoria3.dmc config file and the victoria 1 cr2 file and that seemed to get the lip-sync to work too. (using the newly created v3 mimic cr2 file looks better). Thanks again for the quick reply and the help. Paul