no one rejects 3ds for this reason This is like the long-standing argument that 90% of what you see on TV is crap, but crap apparently sells enough that every TV season we see the same tired cliches in the same tired sitcoms. Then everyone says what a wasteland TV is, but no one seems all that interested in making anything more out of it. And what's the result? More crap, all dressed up with nowhere to go. The excellent art in Poser? That comes from people like David Ho, who pushes this program into the stratosphere. The rest? Pretty images, no argument there -- but to what end? So why do people reject Poser and not 3ds? Because of the nature of the 3d beast. The serious 3d folk are modellers, and they take a great deal of pride in creating something from scratch. It's their Grail. So why should we be surprised when they look at images that use a stock mesh and a stock texture and turn their nose up? For all the "well, they don't build the computers" attempts at an argument, we do have to accept that we're working at a level of 3d that's pretty facile and superficial and mono-directional, while theirs is plumbing slightly deeper and more complex stratae.