The next time that I see a thread started here about those sub-artists over at cgtalk, I'll agree with you But you already have. :) >> My statement concerning authority stands. Which item(s) among the Hot 20 should be removed, in your opinion? None. But accepting something for its ability to maintain the status quo is not the same as thinking maybe, just maybe, we could be pushing this proggie a little harder than we currently are. Post 76 makes an excellent point: that by shoving and prodding and pushing things that maybe weren't meant to be shoved, we keep pushing the boundaries back. But it's ironic that for all the pushing and prodding, it still winds up being yet another stereotypical image of a Caucasian woman with long legs and perfect makeup and not enough clothing. Then folks get all upset when someone points out this rather unavoidable fact; still, when a technique as potentially versatile as transparency maps gets used to crank out version 2,897 of lace undies and version 6,940 of long tresses in sexy disarray... well, hell, talk about wasted potential, sorry. We haven't come anywhere close to realizing what this program can do, because we get to a certain point, and then we stop, waiting for folks like Geep or Catharina to break down the walls for us and show us how to make things that no one thought possible. Sorry. It just gets really frustrating sometimes. I know, I know -- it's the market. The market wants fantasy armour and slinky lingerie and impossible high heels and textures with immaculate mascara. The market wants page after page of interchangable, collect-them-all-amaze-your-friends-at-parties pin ups. I guess I'm getting to the point where it's all just a frigging bore. Hell, 90% of TV may be what the market wants, but that doesn't mean I'm required to like it. :)