my post linked to a black woman texture with long legs and no makeup and well... not enough clothing. But she looked real ;) for what its worth, I've seen people bitching about cgtalk snobbery over on the Zbrush forum site too, and that program, though a lowend price, is used by highend professionals most frequently to do character sculpting and morphing. It appears to me that cgtalk people just like bitching when the program costs under 1k and can't adjust to change in anyway, shape or form. I can only imagine how these threads are going to look if Daz Studio ever makes it to its potential, and gives people the opportunity to render far more accurately animated figures complete with weightmapping, just like the highend profi apps. Going to be ugly... I guess.