It appears to me that cgtalk people just like bitching when the program costs under 1k and can't adjust to change in anyway, shape or form With all due respect, I can't agree. I've had good experience over there. Yeah, you get the attitudious jerks, but that's no different from this place FTTT. CGTalk is really about taking 3d to a higher level, regardless of the software -- even Poser has known to surprise them on occasion, but it's an application of Poser that pushes what the proggie can do. If that's snobbery, well, okay... but I don't see it that way.