I agree, MungoPark. BTW... nice gallery... you do some nice work with Poser. actually the original discussion started with a guy in the 3ds forum pissed off that naked Caucasian Poser pinups get all the attention, it had nothing to do with the program, its abilities and shortcomings. Mostly because I'm sure... the fellow has never used it. It had nothing to do with why 3ds is better than Poser. And yes, 3ds is better than Poser in a lot of ways. Just not in price. I prefer tools that are high quality and affordable to the average user, and therefore accessible for average people to explore art and express their vision, no matter what that vision may be. I am decidedly not an elitist. I see no reason to spend more money on an application than I do on my hardware. I personally do sexy pinup but I get more involved with them and post them at sites that allow them, much of my work goes in a decidedly ... Olivia DeBerardinis sort of vein and hence is too extreme for this website. I personally find some extremely creative work in that genre. You just can't pursue it fully over here... and it really does look stupid when you see a Naked Vickie in a temple with a sword... where you're wondering what the hell is she naked for? But then that's because people are pretty much limited to that by the tos here, too. Implied sexual content is forbidden by the tos, which can be interpreted pretty conservatively to include nearly any romantic situation when it involved nudity.