I could care less what a few cgtalk hobbyists think, and yes... a great majority are also hobbyists with a deeper pocketbook. I enjoy many parts of the site, mostly the 2d software parts where its not populated by a bunch of sex allergic boys, giving tips that actually help me in my postwork of images. A great many people are making money off the Poser based pinups, and pinups in all media have been popular as long as there's been art, even Bougereau's beauties were 19th century pinup, just in oil instead of Poser. I refuse to apologise for my choice of genre, one that I find more profitable and enjoyable. One should do what they enjoy in their personal art, and tell the rest of the world to shove it up their backside. Seriously. Unless its commercial art you're doing for a client and you're being paid to produce art to their interests, I see no reason to pander to a few vocal people that don't share the same interests as myself. And lets face it, 3d art in general is full of either fantasy art, scifi, or pinups. Just like every other artistic media, including traditional ones. I can paint just as well as a lot of these guys can model. I can morph the meshes very quickly in Zbrush with my Wacom and get a very different look to a model. All one has to do is compare the Freak to V3 and yes... realise they don't look the same at all. Same mesh.