Thanks everyone for the help. I'm getting there. Yes, Nance, I could have used search, but it's amazing the things you find rooting through the Freestuff. moyra, I did some things in Photoshop woth noise and other filters, like chrome, but I want a highly-reflective dress, and a refl. map isn't working. Won't allow me to map a low-cut dress. Will keep trying. diane, I'm a photographer, but no longer have access to any fabrics. Was in fashion in Milan, but moved on to music and have lost my contacts. If you could do textiles I'm sure a lot of people would use them. Anyway, thanks again to all. maclean