One more opinion about this... scarab seems to be a bit single-minded, whatever the reason :) I didnt find the Cacheforce collection "cartoon-like", with the exception of those figures resembling cartoon heroes ("Witchblade" character etc.) - Some of them (3 Roman soldiers) are pretty realistic and anyway what about the seventy figure - 200 prop - 170 bucks deal ? There isnt an "idiotic grin", either and their joints sometimes bend better than Zygotes... they dont have speech morphs yet, true (to be updated online soon they say) and then Cacheforce doesn`t seem to spend much time on the textures - well me, I like to paint my own anyway, so much for that. Max/Deesponas : beware, he is supposed to be highly illegal. Grapevine says they (Viewpoint) are trying to get his ass since a year or so, what keeps them is just spanish legislation or whatever - anyway, the models look swell, but they are really ment for Max - if you convert them you wil find them hard to handle in other apps because they are a bit overtextured textures can be pretty Max-specific. Still, I would have bought the collection if it wasnt for that legal issue. Viewpoint really DID buy the stuff from REM, that I know for sure.