Something I've recently learned about P5 rendering is that it's a mistake to just turn everything on or set qualities to max before doing a render. Basically, the thing seems to be: decide what you want/need, and use that. If you don't need the displacement thingie, turn it off. If you're not using something that needs ray-trace (reflect or refract, for instance) turn it off. I'm still very much a P5 newbie, but I'm very happy with the results I'm getting from P5 using this approach. Of course, P5 has a heck of a renderer, and if you want reflections, depth of focus, atmosphere, and realistic refractions through transparent objects, you gotta expect to pay those extra minutes (or hours!) for it. Over the past few days I've been adding more and more to the mix, just to see how far I can push it - to the extent that the picture I currently have in the oven has been baking for about 7 hours. But that's with loads and loads of reflective/refractive objects and a high number of ray trace bounces. For your ordinary basic pics, P5 needn't take much longer than P4, IMO. Up to now, when I wanted those fancy effects, I did a render in Vue d'Esprit, which seemed to take even longer for similar effects. Now I can just do them within Poser itself. Initially I loathed, detested, hated, and cussed P5, and as initally released it partly deserved it. It's still not perfect, but it's a heck of a program and in term of value for money I don't think there's anything that comes close to touching it. Just all IMO, of course! Morphy