Yes, with and without flowers. He's supposed to have two floral varieties now, one with much larger petals. (Those hybridizers have messed with just about everything by doubling up the chromosomes. sigh.) Since he is trying for the sorts of filler plants to line foundations and bulk up perennial beds, it is essential that a couple of dial tweaks will make each plant look different from its neighbor. It is like foxgloves and delphiniums and hollyhocks... you usually don't just have one, but an entire line of them. And even if they are at the back of the border, they shouldn't look like the soldiers in front of Buckingham Palace but something which has grown in place and accounted for the growth of its neighbors. Eric's work at keeping the mesh from intersecting despite the morphs helps a lot. Most folks will tweak gently, but I've been throwing the knobs off the scale and far into negative country just to see what happens. :wide evil grin: Unfortunately, most of my experience is with wildflowers and perennials rather than houseplants and colorspots and common plants. I used to hybridize iris, though, so I have an eye as to what makes a healthy plant! (Other hybridizers were going for huge flowers, I wanted to increase the temperature range so my favorite flowers could grow in more places.) From the scenes you do for the galleries, I'd suspect that you've grown kitchen and cottage gardens? Carolly