Ahh...the answer finally. It's in the file of RoseDawson on the Fairywoods site. It's a combination of P4 and Vickie. I believe, but I could be wrong, that somehow, my installed Vickie files were reading it instead of their own rsr, obj, whatever. I removed everything related to it, removed all my Vickie files, and rebooted, then reinstalled it again. She works perfect now. It's hard being a technoclutz among all you smartguys. looks at Keoto and makes a face Anyway, she's working fine, and I can try some of the things I keep hearing she was made for. Thank you all for your help. We will see what she can do. =)