Well, I'm already really interested in how Mazak is getting his interesting Toon-Illustration looks! But the "Tropicana" image is 95% just playing with DS lights. It totally amazes me how this DS renderer engine seems to adaptively shift gears depending upon the lighting and creative use, or non-use, of texture maps. That's basically just pastel lights bouncing off solid, untextured surfaces. That 3delight renderer sample image of "China Town" gave me the real clue that a real toon-like look is achivable just using lighting and untextured objects. I have always like using pastel lighting effects and I am a big fan of Sarsa's work. I use her type of lighting in a great deal of my Poser PP images, plus with Z-Tooning, its a look I really like. I think Daz Studio really makes a lot of cool new illustration looks relatively easy. Predict that DS will have Plug-In "Sketch Render" features like Poser. :::::::Paging Don Albert::::::