thanks geep! you convinced me of giving it a try... one question though... so far, when I've wanted to bump map something, I simply turn it into gray scale, then darken it with brightness and contrast, and then invert the colors... how did you accomplish those bumps in the sign? thanks for your valuable help... and I do have UVmapper, riddokun... I guess you can tell now why i wasn't so sure about making that eye prop myself, I still lack very much of the know-how by the way, how would you make those metal rings that hold the sign to the post? any tutorials about it