woah, that's cool, dr. geep... but, how big should I make the sign?? I mean, you didn't even measure the box to see how big the jpg file should be?? plus, I didn't know Poser could create the bump maps on its own!! darnation, and here I was spending hours making countless bump maps in photoshop... thanks, I'll save the jpg and see how I go, I'll post back..