ok, here's my first try... everything is dandy, but I can't get the bump map to work... I load the same JPG as bump map, but nothing... I even did bevel and emboss in photoshop, but I can't near the depth of your first bump map up there. I played with the + and - options for the bump map, and nothing... plus, how could you get the bump map poser did?? this is what I'm doing, please correct whatever I'm doing wrong... I open Poser, load the box, then press ctrl+U, add my sign.jpg as texture map, and then right below it, I add the very sign.jpg as bump map, touch nothing else, and press enter. afterwards, I played with the "strength" dials in the bump map part, but nothing... but again, I don't understand how you were able to recover the bump map generated by poser... how were you able to export it (man, it would save me a lot of headaches if I had only read the poser manual all the way to end.. after page 100, I thought I knew all i needed... and stopped reading... how wrong I was...)