gkad you like the pics, diane. Some things on the site are a bit sucky, but it was my first, and I can't be bothered re-doing it. Too much other work. Made a new refl. map and new bumps, and the lamdress looks more like what I want. Am currently trying out tex. maps to put creases in it. It should all be done in a day. Then I need to firure out how to post. Ciao maclean