BabaLouie stated: "There is simply no need to publicly trash Renderosity." Can't say as I agree with you on that, either. If Renderosity behaves poorly, why shouldn't the members talk about it openly? I can't stay within their terms of service and call them all a bunch of *&$x, but last time I checked I was able to constructively slate what they do. Most of the mods I see do a stirling job - most of the admin, well there's that TOS thingie again... ;-). And I "pay" by shopping in the store occasionally - that was the 'deal' explained to me when Rendo went commercial. I've never thought much of the magazine, and now it's becoming part of the site I see it as a direct threat to the content of the technical forums - which are the last vestige of the sharing philosophy that started this place off and what keeps it worthwhile. I see the start of a process to turn Renderosity into a subscription site.