well, poser 5 and its shaders/matrerial room offers many opportunities and features regardiong cellshading/anime style renders... poser 4 is quite another challenge, i can swear ! that's why i work on methods on it because i only have p4. BTW transmapped items still escape my wrath so far (at least when an item got a differnet shape, such as areas cut and such, because of a transmap) if someone come with poser 4 tips and technics please tell me, it would help