hmmmm youre right, though dedicated digitals stuff also is kind of "squirrely" with the joints, even without tweeking around. I was kinda thinking he might start with the raccoon and just diminish tail and shorten the forelimbs. Depending upon what the project is, most gopher scenes have the little critter just sitting in a hole prairie dog style, in which case the thing could have a peacocks tale for all that matter...."form follows function" I have a panda bear and polar bear cub from dedicated digital, but I dont know if I could forward them legally...the cub would not be a bad start for a gopher I bet. But it doesnt have the built in morphing capability and I'm willing to bet I am worse at morph making than nomad is.... Scarab <-or to quote the Monty Python "Parrot Sketch", "'Ow 'bout a nice goldfish, then?"