I find this thread exciting [and don't see anyway that it can get off-track and nailed shut at this point]...It makes me remember back in the early days of Poser characters. Remember those gawd awful looking people who didn't even resemble cartoon characters? Then came Poser4 with more realism progressing up to the current time with all the photo-realism...now evolving to the toonish people. Poser people are going full circle and improving with each loop...and now we are making a list to take it into the next generation...Cartoons! I love the 'toons ...We need Popeye!