Hmm, Interesting I understand how this is suppposed to work now however for some reason my stupid Bryce won't open it. Infact it wont recognize any OBP file besides the user.obp when i try to import them. Strange. Thanks a ton for your help though. By the way I did do some work with multi-replicting small cylinders and it looks pretty decent with the right Texture however its quite polygon intensive, so hopefully i can figure out Madmax's smartpipe.