Well, I just read the tutorial. Guys seems okay. Feel bad all this rained down on s/him. Big boobs even are reasonable in context of tutorial says Lord Judge Mom ;) My issue in the thread has not been this particular but the issue of curtesy in the Freestuff, I actuall almost didn't comeback here after that Nazi stuff, that is the worst I have ever seen. Why don't I turn off the Thumbnails? Because without them there is NO hope of knowing what the downloads are... you try it... rarely are the pop up notes illuminating. Not all of us have unfetter access to a private computer, are we unworthy to be here? I'm just asking for curtesy... I don't care whats happening in the gallerys, I MEAN I DO NOT CARE, but I would like the banners, thumbnails and forums to be used with consideration and civility since they constitute the "virtual public space" of the site. This whole male female thing bores me, I can't even engage in a discusion that equates the objectification of male bodies with the objectification of female bodies when we accept without pause the female apartide edemic in most of the world without question... come on... people whoe equate the penis with the female breasts who who if I showed them a vulva would call it a vagina? You can talk to me about a level playing feild when the the equivilent of the graphic representation of a womans breasts is a mans breasts.